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		By: India Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[India Williams]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel from reading this article that it appears that &quot;Mormonism&quot; is being singled out for criticism.  Not all Mormons live in Utah. We are world wide. 
Where is the research to prove that Mormonism is a cause or the largest factor in suicide rates?  The research I have found is certainly biased and far out dated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel from reading this article that it appears that &#8220;Mormonism&#8221; is being singled out for criticism.  Not all Mormons live in Utah. We are world wide.<br />
Where is the research to prove that Mormonism is a cause or the largest factor in suicide rates?  The research I have found is certainly biased and far out dated.</p>
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		By: mormonwomen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mormonwomen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2014 07:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now to your points.

First of all, it sounds like you are not happy yourself with Mormonism at some level. I&#039;m sorry about that. The other comment from &quot;John&quot; about not agreeing with Mormons being happy also suggests to me that you are not happy or have had negative experiences within the Church. I hope you are able to find some peace for yourself, whatever that may look like.

I&#039;ll address something mentioned in the other comment on the post about Mormons being happy here as well. I do sometimes see people hiding emotions in our midst, but I also think this is often a human condition. If you have ever read materials from Brené Brown, for example, you would see that a lack of vulnerability is most certainly not a Mormon problem. It&#039;s a human problem. 

To your comment above: 
Of course there are high-LDS populations in Utah. But stats are stats and if people want to study the LDS population, they can&#039;t generalize Utah-centric data as being reflective of Mormons in general. It&#039;s just not good stats practice. 

&quot;“Mormons don’t use drugs. That’s why we are depressed.” Really? Really?! &quot;

That isn&#039;t what I said, but I see that I probably could have explained what I meant more clearly. Depression is a mental illness and people the world over struggle with it. Sometimes people deal with mental illness by self-medicating through unhealthy substances or behaviors. Sometimes people use medication (and the researcher mentioned above noted that that approach may be used by a population with higher levels of education or income). The point relates to point #4 which is that correlation (antidepressant use in Utah) is not causation (Mormonism &quot;causes depression&quot; and is to be &quot;blamed&quot; for high antidepressant use).

Also, using antidepressant use as a negative measure could be measuring exactly the wrong things when it comes to reducing the stigma around mental illness.

And yes, sometimes people overuse antidepressants or can get addicted to those. But once again, that doesn&#039;t mean that the LDS faith *causes* such addictions or depression. Again, statistics would require that you back up your claims with data. 

So this claim --&quot;If we take a step back and look at our LDS friends and family members, can we honestly say we don’t see a higher presence of depression than in our non-member friends?&quot; cannot be made subjectively. It would require a randomized, large-enough sample to determine whether this could be backed up by data.

That is not to say that subjective experience isn&#039;t valid. Again, I&#039;m sorry that your experiences seem to fall more into the negative category.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now to your points.</p>
<p>First of all, it sounds like you are not happy yourself with Mormonism at some level. I&#8217;m sorry about that. The other comment from &#8220;John&#8221; about not agreeing with Mormons being happy also suggests to me that you are not happy or have had negative experiences within the Church. I hope you are able to find some peace for yourself, whatever that may look like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll address something mentioned in the other comment on the post about Mormons being happy here as well. I do sometimes see people hiding emotions in our midst, but I also think this is often a human condition. If you have ever read materials from Brené Brown, for example, you would see that a lack of vulnerability is most certainly not a Mormon problem. It&#8217;s a human problem. </p>
<p>To your comment above:<br />
Of course there are high-LDS populations in Utah. But stats are stats and if people want to study the LDS population, they can&#8217;t generalize Utah-centric data as being reflective of Mormons in general. It&#8217;s just not good stats practice. </p>
<p>&#8220;“Mormons don’t use drugs. That’s why we are depressed.” Really? Really?! &#8221;</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t what I said, but I see that I probably could have explained what I meant more clearly. Depression is a mental illness and people the world over struggle with it. Sometimes people deal with mental illness by self-medicating through unhealthy substances or behaviors. Sometimes people use medication (and the researcher mentioned above noted that that approach may be used by a population with higher levels of education or income). The point relates to point #4 which is that correlation (antidepressant use in Utah) is not causation (Mormonism &#8220;causes depression&#8221; and is to be &#8220;blamed&#8221; for high antidepressant use).</p>
<p>Also, using antidepressant use as a negative measure could be measuring exactly the wrong things when it comes to reducing the stigma around mental illness.</p>
<p>And yes, sometimes people overuse antidepressants or can get addicted to those. But once again, that doesn&#8217;t mean that the LDS faith *causes* such addictions or depression. Again, statistics would require that you back up your claims with data. </p>
<p>So this claim &#8211;&#8220;If we take a step back and look at our LDS friends and family members, can we honestly say we don’t see a higher presence of depression than in our non-member friends?&#8221; cannot be made subjectively. It would require a randomized, large-enough sample to determine whether this could be backed up by data.</p>
<p>That is not to say that subjective experience isn&#8217;t valid. Again, I&#8217;m sorry that your experiences seem to fall more into the negative category.</p>
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		By: mormonwomen		</title>
		<link>https://womenseekingchrist.org/2012/01/08/mormons-and-depression-mental-illness-anti-depressant-use/comment-page-1/#comment-81350</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mormonwomen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2014 07:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marci,

Comments often wait in moderation because I don&#039;t monitor this site all day. I check it once or twice a day.

And yes, we do monitor for content. We have comment policies and that is well within the realm of normal for blogs and online media. 

One of the things we monitor for is posting multiple comments from the same IP address under different &#039;names.&#039; I&#039;m posting your comments anyway, but please respect this space. It&#039;s ok to share your experience and perspective, and then we get to decide what to do about sharing it. There are plenty of other spaces where you can share your voice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marci,</p>
<p>Comments often wait in moderation because I don&#8217;t monitor this site all day. I check it once or twice a day.</p>
<p>And yes, we do monitor for content. We have comment policies and that is well within the realm of normal for blogs and online media. </p>
<p>One of the things we monitor for is posting multiple comments from the same IP address under different &#8216;names.&#8217; I&#8217;m posting your comments anyway, but please respect this space. It&#8217;s ok to share your experience and perspective, and then we get to decide what to do about sharing it. There are plenty of other spaces where you can share your voice.</p>
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		By: Marci		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marci]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 11:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why does my comment have to wait for moderation? That is strange that you filter these comments to only things that support what you say... It is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does my comment have to wait for moderation? That is strange that you filter these comments to only things that support what you say&#8230; It is wrong.</p>
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		By: Marci		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marci]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 11:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok. I am a Mormon woman. But I must say, I do not think that this article brings up even one valid argument against the ultra high rates of anti-depressants used by our women AND girls. For the main argument to be that &quot;not everyone in Utah is Mormon,&quot; I cringed. Sure, 100% of the population is not LDS. However, with So many of our cities in Utah exceeding 90% Mormon population, it would certainly be fair for someone to use Utah as a representative sample of the Mormon population (at LEAST in America).

Another favorite - &quot;Mormons don&#039;t use drugs. That&#039;s why we are depressed.&quot; Really? Really?! If the rest of the world is happy because they use substances that we aren&#039;t &quot;allowed to have&quot; while we pop addicting psychotropics and benzodiazepines, I&#039;d most definitely say that the joke is on us!

If we take a step back and look at our LDS friends and family members, can we honestly say we don&#039;t see a higher presence of depression than in our non-member friends?  



...me neither. :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. I am a Mormon woman. But I must say, I do not think that this article brings up even one valid argument against the ultra high rates of anti-depressants used by our women AND girls. For the main argument to be that &#8220;not everyone in Utah is Mormon,&#8221; I cringed. Sure, 100% of the population is not LDS. However, with So many of our cities in Utah exceeding 90% Mormon population, it would certainly be fair for someone to use Utah as a representative sample of the Mormon population (at LEAST in America).</p>
<p>Another favorite &#8211; &#8220;Mormons don&#8217;t use drugs. That&#8217;s why we are depressed.&#8221; Really? Really?! If the rest of the world is happy because they use substances that we aren&#8217;t &#8220;allowed to have&#8221; while we pop addicting psychotropics and benzodiazepines, I&#8217;d most definitely say that the joke is on us!</p>
<p>If we take a step back and look at our LDS friends and family members, can we honestly say we don&#8217;t see a higher presence of depression than in our non-member friends?  </p>
<p>&#8230;me neither. 🙁</p>
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		By: Ariane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 05:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonderful post, and very insightful! Thank you so much!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post, and very insightful! Thank you so much!</p>
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		By: A Well-Behaved Mormon Woman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Well-Behaved Mormon Woman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just read many of the comments from the previous posts that asked the question: Why are Mormons so happy?  What a lovely observation from someone who is not a member of the LDS faith.  

Thank you for addressing  the issue of depression in Mormon women that came up.  You make some very important points about depression within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on the whole.  Utah is not the Church, nor could it possibly represent it on a global scale.

I believe the happiness that is often observed by those outside of the Mormons faith is something that members may not recognize in themselves--  as they are comfortable with this state of being.  

A perspective that gives LDS members an understanding of this life gives us the ability to walk through life with confidence that all things will work together for our good -- come what may. 

Even depression.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read many of the comments from the previous posts that asked the question: Why are Mormons so happy?  What a lovely observation from someone who is not a member of the LDS faith.  </p>
<p>Thank you for addressing  the issue of depression in Mormon women that came up.  You make some very important points about depression within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on the whole.  Utah is not the Church, nor could it possibly represent it on a global scale.</p>
<p>I believe the happiness that is often observed by those outside of the Mormons faith is something that members may not recognize in themselves&#8211;  as they are comfortable with this state of being.  </p>
<p>A perspective that gives LDS members an understanding of this life gives us the ability to walk through life with confidence that all things will work together for our good &#8212; come what may. </p>
<p>Even depression.</p>
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