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		By: Women Seeking Christ		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://womenseekingchrist.org/2012/01/04/why-do-mormons-seem-so-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-914652&quot;&gt;Sarah&lt;/a&gt;.

Sarah, Desejamos-lhe o melhor em sua jornada de fé!

We wish you the best in your faith journey. Welcome back to the Church. I can hear perhaps some of the pain you have experienced along the way. Life and family and faith can be messy sometimes, can&#039;t it?

My daughter is serving in Brazil right now as a missionary. She loves your country!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://womenseekingchrist.org/2012/01/04/why-do-mormons-seem-so-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-914652">Sarah</a>.</p>
<p>Sarah, Desejamos-lhe o melhor em sua jornada de fé!</p>
<p>We wish you the best in your faith journey. Welcome back to the Church. I can hear perhaps some of the pain you have experienced along the way. Life and family and faith can be messy sometimes, can&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>My daughter is serving in Brazil right now as a missionary. She loves your country!</p>
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		By: Sarah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a very interesting discussion. I was born and raised in Brazil, and also in a family where all members are from the church of Jesus Christ. Since the mormon church is not as proeminent here as in the US, or Utah, the community I grew up in was not  mormon air-tight, and I have had plenty of contact with other religions, philosophies and have had the plesure of discussing world views with many different people. I love doing so, because questioning my beliefs and other belief sistems makes me feel alive. The world and humanity is amazing, and I love understanding what beliefs make each person&#039;s mind tick.

By learning and seeing many points of view, I was able to discuss with my parents, my brothers and my friends about my own worldview. I have expressed my doubts about my mormon faith in the past, and I have tried new ways of living as well, without my family knowing at the time. (They know a lot of what I did now, though.) But, after about 7 years of trials and new begginings and experiences, I have found that I feel the happiest when I&#039;m following the mormon religion.

Now, maybe that&#039;s me going back to what&#039;s confortable - living the things I was taught when I was young, going to church with my family.
Maybe my brain just likes the familiar.
Maybe it&#039;s guilt from leaving the church.
Maybe it&#039;s an effort to make my parents happy and at ease.
Maybe I really do feel like the best version of myself when I&#039;m praying, fasting, reading the scriptures and serving in church.
Maybe I really understood and loved the Plan of Salvation that the church teaches. I hope I can be with my family forever!

And, well. Maybe it&#039;s all of the above! But my truth is this: this moment of my life, I feel very fulfilled going back to church. I have had sexual adventures, questioned my sexuality, drank and gone to parties and have studied other religions and philosophies (and still will continue doing so). But now, as I am back to church, and re-learning things, I feel happy. I can see progress in myself in addictions and have many activities to see friends and hang out to do fun, healthy things. It&#039;s very undescribable, how in peace I feel. Again, maybe it&#039;s just my brain, and not something spiritual -  but hey! Religion has been around for so long, in so many different shapes and forms. If it&#039;s able to comfort and bring peace like that, I hope everyone finds a religion that fills their life with peace and meaning, like I have bee re-finding in the mormon church.


I still think Utah has a long way to go, though. In a place where so many people are from the same religion, kids will grow up feeling very pressured to fit in. Questioning is something whe start doing as kids, and will continue doing our whole lives (hopefully!). But very religios parents can shut down questions, and just make their children live a way of living they don&#039;t fully understand, or fully agree with living. If you are a mormon mom or dad reading this, please. Raise your children in a family where questions are welcome, and not censored. Let them think, process and discuss their findings with you. Let them be angry, sad, confused, just as much as you let them be happy and glad with what they learn. Finally, give them space to be their own person, even if they decide to leave the church. They might come back  in the future, and find out they like life better in church - but they definately won&#039;t do that if you fill them up with trauma regarding mormonism, or their own family.

Also, anti-drepressants: I don&#039;t know much about those, but I believe in a state where there are many expectations from peers, and plenty of homophobia and racism, anti-depressants will be needed. In one side, I&#039;m glad people being affected by depression and anxiety are taking care of their mental health. On the other hand, I&#039;m disappointed to see that Utah still suffers from blind christians who shove people who don&#039;t fit their perfect narrative to the side. I&#039;m glad this generation is learning to be truly inclusive and loving.

Anyway, tl;dr: I&#039;m coming back to mormonism, and I feel really glad at the moment. I love serving and teaching and I&#039;m seeing a lot of personal progress in personal issues. My rant is over! Hope you all have wonderful days. And forgive my English.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting discussion. I was born and raised in Brazil, and also in a family where all members are from the church of Jesus Christ. Since the mormon church is not as proeminent here as in the US, or Utah, the community I grew up in was not  mormon air-tight, and I have had plenty of contact with other religions, philosophies and have had the plesure of discussing world views with many different people. I love doing so, because questioning my beliefs and other belief sistems makes me feel alive. The world and humanity is amazing, and I love understanding what beliefs make each person&#8217;s mind tick.</p>
<p>By learning and seeing many points of view, I was able to discuss with my parents, my brothers and my friends about my own worldview. I have expressed my doubts about my mormon faith in the past, and I have tried new ways of living as well, without my family knowing at the time. (They know a lot of what I did now, though.) But, after about 7 years of trials and new begginings and experiences, I have found that I feel the happiest when I&#8217;m following the mormon religion.</p>
<p>Now, maybe that&#8217;s me going back to what&#8217;s confortable &#8211; living the things I was taught when I was young, going to church with my family.<br />
Maybe my brain just likes the familiar.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s guilt from leaving the church.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s an effort to make my parents happy and at ease.<br />
Maybe I really do feel like the best version of myself when I&#8217;m praying, fasting, reading the scriptures and serving in church.<br />
Maybe I really understood and loved the Plan of Salvation that the church teaches. I hope I can be with my family forever!</p>
<p>And, well. Maybe it&#8217;s all of the above! But my truth is this: this moment of my life, I feel very fulfilled going back to church. I have had sexual adventures, questioned my sexuality, drank and gone to parties and have studied other religions and philosophies (and still will continue doing so). But now, as I am back to church, and re-learning things, I feel happy. I can see progress in myself in addictions and have many activities to see friends and hang out to do fun, healthy things. It&#8217;s very undescribable, how in peace I feel. Again, maybe it&#8217;s just my brain, and not something spiritual &#8211;  but hey! Religion has been around for so long, in so many different shapes and forms. If it&#8217;s able to comfort and bring peace like that, I hope everyone finds a religion that fills their life with peace and meaning, like I have bee re-finding in the mormon church.</p>
<p>I still think Utah has a long way to go, though. In a place where so many people are from the same religion, kids will grow up feeling very pressured to fit in. Questioning is something whe start doing as kids, and will continue doing our whole lives (hopefully!). But very religios parents can shut down questions, and just make their children live a way of living they don&#8217;t fully understand, or fully agree with living. If you are a mormon mom or dad reading this, please. Raise your children in a family where questions are welcome, and not censored. Let them think, process and discuss their findings with you. Let them be angry, sad, confused, just as much as you let them be happy and glad with what they learn. Finally, give them space to be their own person, even if they decide to leave the church. They might come back  in the future, and find out they like life better in church &#8211; but they definately won&#8217;t do that if you fill them up with trauma regarding mormonism, or their own family.</p>
<p>Also, anti-drepressants: I don&#8217;t know much about those, but I believe in a state where there are many expectations from peers, and plenty of homophobia and racism, anti-depressants will be needed. In one side, I&#8217;m glad people being affected by depression and anxiety are taking care of their mental health. On the other hand, I&#8217;m disappointed to see that Utah still suffers from blind christians who shove people who don&#8217;t fit their perfect narrative to the side. I&#8217;m glad this generation is learning to be truly inclusive and loving.</p>
<p>Anyway, tl;dr: I&#8217;m coming back to mormonism, and I feel really glad at the moment. I love serving and teaching and I&#8217;m seeing a lot of personal progress in personal issues. My rant is over! Hope you all have wonderful days. And forgive my English.</p>
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		By: mormonwomen		</title>
		<link>https://womenseekingchrist.org/2012/01/04/why-do-mormons-seem-so-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-869686</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 08:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joe, we wish you and your cocker spaniel well. :) If religion is not your thing, we respect that.]]></description>
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		By: Joe Clarke		</title>
		<link>https://womenseekingchrist.org/2012/01/04/why-do-mormons-seem-so-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-859750</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2019 08:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My cocker spaniel is very happy too,  Michel de Montaigne observed that happiness is the only true sign of intelligence.  I don&#039;t know - between my cocker spaniel (dumb as a door knob) and Michel - I lean towards happiness being a denial state of mind.  Not sure about dogs but human beings understand their own mortality and aggressively seek ways to mitigate that reality....,  religion is a pretty convenient tool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cocker spaniel is very happy too,  Michel de Montaigne observed that happiness is the only true sign of intelligence.  I don&#8217;t know &#8211; between my cocker spaniel (dumb as a door knob) and Michel &#8211; I lean towards happiness being a denial state of mind.  Not sure about dogs but human beings understand their own mortality and aggressively seek ways to mitigate that reality&#8230;.,  religion is a pretty convenient tool.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: UtahValleyTherapist		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I work as a therapist in Utah Valley with many Mormon individuals.  Utah Valley has one of the highest rates of prescription substance abuse and domestic violence in the country.  Utah is also rated as one of the highest in depression and anxiety.  That doesn&#039;t meant that Mormons are less happy than other people, but it certainly doesn&#039;t mean they are more happy either.  It is hard to pinpoint something as subjective as &quot;happiness&quot; or to even measure the level of happiness in a certain group.  However, Mormons are told that being unhappy means they are wicked.  &quot;Wickedness never was happiness&quot;.  Because a display of sadness is an admittance to being a bad person, most Mormons pretend to be happy even if they aren&#039;t.  That&#039;s why domestic violence and other problems in the Mormon community are often hidden and kept secret. It&#039;s why Mormons reply to a post like this by testifying how happy they are.  It is required by their religion to be happy and they often try to prove their happiness to others as well as to themselves.  Many are satisfied and happy with their lives, but as we see more and more people leave the Mormon church, it is clear that many are also not at all happy with their religion or their lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work as a therapist in Utah Valley with many Mormon individuals.  Utah Valley has one of the highest rates of prescription substance abuse and domestic violence in the country.  Utah is also rated as one of the highest in depression and anxiety.  That doesn&#8217;t meant that Mormons are less happy than other people, but it certainly doesn&#8217;t mean they are more happy either.  It is hard to pinpoint something as subjective as &#8220;happiness&#8221; or to even measure the level of happiness in a certain group.  However, Mormons are told that being unhappy means they are wicked.  &#8220;Wickedness never was happiness&#8221;.  Because a display of sadness is an admittance to being a bad person, most Mormons pretend to be happy even if they aren&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s why domestic violence and other problems in the Mormon community are often hidden and kept secret. It&#8217;s why Mormons reply to a post like this by testifying how happy they are.  It is required by their religion to be happy and they often try to prove their happiness to others as well as to themselves.  Many are satisfied and happy with their lives, but as we see more and more people leave the Mormon church, it is clear that many are also not at all happy with their religion or their lives.</p>
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		By: Bill Kelley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2014 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe moderation is the same as censorship......]]></description>
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		By: mormonwomen		</title>
		<link>https://womenseekingchrist.org/2012/01/04/why-do-mormons-seem-so-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-81352</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2014 07:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;John&quot; this post was in response to a real question we got from someone not of our faith. I understand that your experience may be different, and I&#039;m sorry that you have had negative experiences with our faith. I will share what I shared in response to the other comment that came around the same time as yours, because I think it&#039;s relevant to both comments.

Now to your points.

First of all, it sounds like you are not happy yourself with Mormonism at some level. I&#039;m sorry about that. The other comment from &quot;John&quot; about not agreeing with Mormons being happy also suggests to me that you are not happy or have had negative experiences within the Church. I hope you are able to find some peace for yourself, whatever that may look like.

I&#039;ll address something mentioned in the other comment on the post about Mormons being happy here as well. I do sometimes see people hiding emotions in our midst, but I also think this is often a human condition. If you have ever read materials from Brené Brown, for example, you would see that a lack of vulnerability is most certainly not a Mormon problem. It&#039;s a human problem. 

To your comment above: 
Of course there are high-LDS populations in Utah. But stats are stats and if people want to study the LDS population, they can&#039;t generalize Utah-centric data as being reflective of Mormons in general. It&#039;s just not good stats practice. 

&quot;“Mormons don’t use drugs. That’s why we are depressed.” Really? Really?! &quot;

That isn&#039;t what I said, but I see that I probably could have explained what I meant more clearly. Depression is a mental illness and people the world over struggle with it. Sometimes people deal with mental illness by self-medicating through unhealthy substances or behaviors. Sometimes people use medication (and the researcher mentioned above noted that that approach may be used by a population with higher levels of education or income). The point relates to point #4 which is that correlation (antidepressant use in Utah) is not causation (Mormonism &quot;causes depression&quot; and is to be &quot;blamed&quot; for high antidepressant use).

Also, using antidepressant use as a negative measure could be measuring exactly the wrong things when it comes to reducing the stigma around mental illness.

And yes, sometimes people overuse antidepressants or can get addicted to those. But once again, that doesn&#039;t mean that the LDS faith *causes* such addictions or depression. Again, statistics would require that you back up your claims with data. 

So this claim --&quot;If we take a step back and look at our LDS friends and family members, can we honestly say we don’t see a higher presence of depression than in our non-member friends?&quot; cannot be made subjectively. It would require a randomized, large-enough sample to determine whether this could be backed up by data.

That is not to say that subjective experience isn&#039;t valid. Again, I&#039;m sorry that your experiences seem to fall more into the negative category.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;John&#8221; this post was in response to a real question we got from someone not of our faith. I understand that your experience may be different, and I&#8217;m sorry that you have had negative experiences with our faith. I will share what I shared in response to the other comment that came around the same time as yours, because I think it&#8217;s relevant to both comments.</p>
<p>Now to your points.</p>
<p>First of all, it sounds like you are not happy yourself with Mormonism at some level. I&#8217;m sorry about that. The other comment from &#8220;John&#8221; about not agreeing with Mormons being happy also suggests to me that you are not happy or have had negative experiences within the Church. I hope you are able to find some peace for yourself, whatever that may look like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll address something mentioned in the other comment on the post about Mormons being happy here as well. I do sometimes see people hiding emotions in our midst, but I also think this is often a human condition. If you have ever read materials from Brené Brown, for example, you would see that a lack of vulnerability is most certainly not a Mormon problem. It&#8217;s a human problem. </p>
<p>To your comment above:<br />
Of course there are high-LDS populations in Utah. But stats are stats and if people want to study the LDS population, they can&#8217;t generalize Utah-centric data as being reflective of Mormons in general. It&#8217;s just not good stats practice. </p>
<p>&#8220;“Mormons don’t use drugs. That’s why we are depressed.” Really? Really?! &#8221;</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t what I said, but I see that I probably could have explained what I meant more clearly. Depression is a mental illness and people the world over struggle with it. Sometimes people deal with mental illness by self-medicating through unhealthy substances or behaviors. Sometimes people use medication (and the researcher mentioned above noted that that approach may be used by a population with higher levels of education or income). The point relates to point #4 which is that correlation (antidepressant use in Utah) is not causation (Mormonism &#8220;causes depression&#8221; and is to be &#8220;blamed&#8221; for high antidepressant use).</p>
<p>Also, using antidepressant use as a negative measure could be measuring exactly the wrong things when it comes to reducing the stigma around mental illness.</p>
<p>And yes, sometimes people overuse antidepressants or can get addicted to those. But once again, that doesn&#8217;t mean that the LDS faith *causes* such addictions or depression. Again, statistics would require that you back up your claims with data. </p>
<p>So this claim &#8211;&#8220;If we take a step back and look at our LDS friends and family members, can we honestly say we don’t see a higher presence of depression than in our non-member friends?&#8221; cannot be made subjectively. It would require a randomized, large-enough sample to determine whether this could be backed up by data.</p>
<p>That is not to say that subjective experience isn&#8217;t valid. Again, I&#8217;m sorry that your experiences seem to fall more into the negative category.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 10:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I truly do NOT believe Mormons seem happy, nor does anybody I have discussed this with. What they seem, is like they are afraid to show their real emotions. In the Mormon world, if you experience sorrow, it is usually viewed as the fault of the sufferer (I.e. Drugs, not reading scriptures enough, not praying enough, etc.). Therefore, Mormons work very hard to give off the appearance that they are happy NO MATTER WHAT! 

The world has a news flash for you... you aren&#039;t fooling anyone. With Utah consistently leading the USA in depression diagnoses and depression medication distribution, we can see very clearly what is really going on.

What really fascinates me is how Mormons always seem to THINK the rest of the world views them as &quot;oh so happy&quot;. Do they really believe that is how they are viewed? Or is it more like wishful thinking?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly do NOT believe Mormons seem happy, nor does anybody I have discussed this with. What they seem, is like they are afraid to show their real emotions. In the Mormon world, if you experience sorrow, it is usually viewed as the fault of the sufferer (I.e. Drugs, not reading scriptures enough, not praying enough, etc.). Therefore, Mormons work very hard to give off the appearance that they are happy NO MATTER WHAT! </p>
<p>The world has a news flash for you&#8230; you aren&#8217;t fooling anyone. With Utah consistently leading the USA in depression diagnoses and depression medication distribution, we can see very clearly what is really going on.</p>
<p>What really fascinates me is how Mormons always seem to THINK the rest of the world views them as &#8220;oh so happy&#8221;. Do they really believe that is how they are viewed? Or is it more like wishful thinking?</p>
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		By: mormonwomen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2013 07:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jimboo, we&#039;ve discussed this topic of antidepressants before. FWIW.

http://mormonwoman.org/2012/01/08/mormons-and-depression-mental-illness-anti-depressant-use/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimboo, we&#8217;ve discussed this topic of antidepressants before. FWIW.</p>
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