Comments on: Ask A Mormon Woman: Do Mormons Believe Jesus Christ and Satan Are Brothers?

By: Rita Miller

Rita Miller — Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:12:05 +0000

@jt
The verse you are referring to is actually 28:14, “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” The reference is to the king of Tyre (cf Barnes Notes on the Bible, “The prince of Tyre was also anointed as a sovereign priest – covering or protecting the minor states, like the cherubim with outstretched wings covering the mercy-Seat.”)Satan can be inferred, although it is not necessary to the text. In LDS theology, the three Persons referred to in scripture are called ‘the Godhead’; the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are most definitely known and worshipped, but as three separate Personages, not one. They are one in purpose, outlook and goal, but not in being. The apostle Paul maintained that separation throughout his epistles, consistently referring to the Father and Son as separate persons (for example, Heb 1:1-3,
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high). The early Church Fathers understood this, and it wasn’t until the Council of Nicea almost 300 years later that that the idea of a “Trinity”, 3 persons in one, became church doctrine.
LDS theology most definitely asserts the primacy of Christ as Creator of the world, Savior and Redeemer, and the only name under Heaven whereby salvation may be obtained. He is our Mediator with the Father, and, having provided us with the reconciliation necessary to return to our Creator, has become the Father of our souls. The fact that we do not believe in a 3rd century decision concerning the characteristics of God in no way negates our Christianity, or our devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ.

By: jt

jt — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:17:19 +0000

Why then is Satan described as the “anointed Cherub” in the book of Ezekiel chapter 28:13. Cherubs are angels. Read your Bible guys. Satan is never referred to as a “son” of God. Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit). In Genesis 1:26 it says “let US make man in our image.” Us indicates more than one. Remember when Matthew 1:23 the angel said to Joseph “and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. God came to earth in the person of Jesus Christ to redeem mankind back to himself. Remember no one can forgive sin but God.

By: mormonwomen

mormonwomen — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:55:58 +0000

Lisa,

Thank you for your comment and for sharing your perspective on this.

I think what I said to someone above about the role living prophets play in the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints underscores how we might engage some of these scriptures differently, but I respect the fact that you followed what you felt and shared what you believe.

~Michelle
Editor

By: Lisa

Lisa — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:25:04 +0000

I think the answer to everyone’s question is John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY begotten son that whosever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Satan and Jesus were not spirit brothers. I also think that Revelations 22:18 should be acknowledged. If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. I pray for everyone’s salvation without judgement. Everyone has the right to choose their own beliefs. However I felt the need to share what I believe.

Thank you.

By: mormonwomen

mormonwomen — Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:57:08 +0000

Brose,
Thanks for stopping by. Have you had a chance to look at the other comments? Others have brought up the verse in Colossians and I shared some thoughts in return.

One of the things that informs the “Mormon” view on this topic is latter-day prophets who have clarified some things, including receiving scripture that we use with the Bible. We love the Bible. We study from it, teach from it, learn from it. Other scriptures and teachings from living prophets help expand upon our understanding of the Bible.

We do not disagree with the need to be born again spiritually. We do not disagree that the devil deceives and fights against God. He has no standing with God. Satan is His enemy and our enemy.

Please consider reading again the post that explains our view of how the devil became the devil. As I mentioned earlier, we do not believe this takes away at all from the focus on our Savior, Jesus Christ. In fact, we think it helps underscore his majesty and wonder as He volunteered to be the One to make Heavenly Father’s plan work for us, and to be our Perfect Exemplar with His life on earth.

In fact, I love learning about the premortal presentation of the plan, because I think it helps us understand even more the nature of Jesus Christ and His perfect willingness to be our Savior and to give His Father the glory — just as we see when we read the New Testament. (I was struck by that just this past Sunday in Sunday School (we are studying the New Testament this year) when I was reading John 5.

Anyway, I realize that we may disagree on some of this, but I hope this helps explain. Again, you might be interested in some of the links above, both in the original post and in the comments.

By: Brose from the Philppines

Brose from the Philppines — Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:44:23 +0000

My KJV 1611Bible says, satan is a great deceiver from the book of Genesis down to the book of Revelation. He deceived the whole world by using the word of God also. In Genesis he twisted the word of God to deceived Eve and Adam, the same in Matthew chapter 4, he tried to deceived my Savior. That’s what he did to all believers of mormonism, he uses the KJV Bible to insist that Jesus my Savior and (he) satan are brothers. Now, you are also using Colosians 1: 16,17. Have you notice the verse 17, that…”he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Meaning, satan is not his brother, he is just his creation. Creation who become ungrateful to his creator. I hope you will realize these, because if you don’t, you have no place in his mansion in heaven. We are all brothers and sisters in creation, but we could not be–spiritually–if we don’t believe that Jesus Christ is God and if we don’t have relationship with him. “Except a man be born again, (spiritually) he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

By: mormonwomen

mormonwomen — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:13:13 +0000

By the way, these doctrines in no way diminish the Savior’s central role in God’s plan, as Creator, as the Atoning One, as our Redeemer and Lord and God. But we also revere our Heavenly Father as the Father of our Spirits, the creator of the plan of salvation, and the One under whom the creation happened, and whose will was followed through the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

By: mormonwomen

mormonwomen — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 22:11:22 +0000

Chris, Thanks for stopping by. As with Paul's comment I can understand why you would read that verse in such a way, but similar to my answer to Paul, it's clear that we interpret these verses a little differently. We love the Bible, but we also have other scripture and prophetic teachings to help expound points of doctrine like this. If you are interested in reading more of such references, links such as the following might be helpful: For more information about the creation, see the references and articles listed under the lds.org index entry "Creation" You can also find more of our beliefs explained in the entry on the Plan of Salvation. You could also search on topics such as the Godhead, Child of God, Jehovah as creator, and other related topics. Thanks, ~Michelle

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:10:12 +0000

Dear Michelle,

You said: “Additional prophetic revelation through latter-day prophets has helped clarify these points of doctrine, helping us know and understand our Father in Heaven as the Father of our spirits, and the Savior as the creator of the earth (under the direction of the Father — His Father, our Father).”

Colossians 1:16-17 says that Jesus created everything invisible (spirits) as well as visible.

Its right there in the passage. It says “both” “invisible or visible”

Colossians 1:16-17 “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. 17And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

Chris

By: Janelle

Janelle — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:58:17 +0000

I like how this post explains that God is the Father of all of our Spirits, but he didn’t create Satan. Satan created Satan, through greed, disobedience and selfishness. I also appreciated the comparison to Cain and Abel. Our thoughts, words and actions make us who we are.

Thank you Heidi for answering a tough question.